tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post1231521997499391668..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: "Begotten" and "Created" as Found in ScriptureElijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-43412158624616314312010-11-02T08:45:00.981-07:002010-11-02T08:45:00.981-07:00it is important to realize that there are aspects ...it is important to realize that there are aspects of jehovah's work that will ever be beyond our full comprehension.ecclesiastes3:11.<br />what is made clear from Isaiah40:13,26.Is that Jehovah possesses both infinite potential and infinite intelligence.This being the case he should be able to generate any amount of kinetic energy without suffering any loss of his substance Isaiah40:28.aservantofJEHOVAHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17139986930474302181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-47175097314342654592010-08-27T02:17:45.756-07:002010-08-27T02:17:45.756-07:00very informative article. I'm at the beginning...very informative article. I'm at the beginning of researching the unchristian concept of creation ex nihilo (out of nothing) it appears this concept played a pivotal role in the philosophizing that concluded with the trinity doctrine. By denying that everything produced was ek (out of/from) Jehovah himself (1cor 8:6;Rom 11:36; heb 2:11) the philosophers placed all creation on one side of a mythical divide, it substance/essence created out of nothing. Whereas all divine things, God, law, will, reason, wisdom,spirit etc. were placed on the other. When the theologians got around to philosophizing about the "Word" it was put on the Divine Side of the equation and conjectured to have emanated out of God as a separate quasi-entity. This was all part of wisdom/logos speculation (compare philo)Theological opinion grew that when God beget (generated from his own substance) this was different than when he created out of nothing. Unfortunately the concept of divine begetting vs creation ex nihilo became so pervasive even Arius succumbed to this concept. This error contributed to the demise of Arian thought since many vacillating theologians could not accept that Christ was produced on the created side of this fabricated divide where Arius mistakenly put him. If there had never developed this false catagory of production (creation ex nihilo) the false divide between the word and the rest of creation may have never developed (heb 2:11). I am attempting to pinpoint the exact period it developed. It makes sense that it developed before Origen becuase he speaks of Eternal Generation. Perhaps his thinking was that everything on the Divine side must somehow be eternal even if it was produced . Origen does speak of Christ as a Ktisma (Creation) based on prov 8:22 but he also believed the rest of creation was eternally created (otherwise how could the Creator be eternal?-Duh! :) ). Although he put christ on the Divine side of the Divide, several Patristic scholars agree that Origen believed and taught that the Word's Ousia (essence/Being) was separate from that of the Father from various statements he made. The statements supposedly showing origen believed in the Homoousios (same Identical being)of father and son were fabrications of Rufinus who made know that he had reworded origen's writings. This was detailed in the writings of Jerome. How different all this speculation was from the actual truth, that the Word alone was a Direct creation (only-begotten) of Jehovah and that Jehovah used his Firstborn son as a conduit for his Creation of all Spiritual (angels and whatever else is spirit) and physical (the Universe)productions using Gods Spirit as Building material(ps 33:6,Isa 40:26;Jer 32:17; Isa 53:1)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11693409621488178831noreply@blogger.com