tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post523225852217662492..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: KNOWElijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-78536493418038857782010-06-12T12:21:36.834-07:002010-06-12T12:21:36.834-07:00A.) τὸ δὲ πνεῦμα οὐδὲ ὅτι ἔστιν ὁμολογοῦσι.
MT13 ...A.) τὸ δὲ πνεῦμα οὐδὲ ὅτι ἔστιν ὁμολογοῦσι.<br /><br />MT13 Lit: "...the (but) spirit nor/no-but/neither because is are-confessing/are-acknowledging<br /><br />ANF R&D: "...and as to the Spirit, they do not admit that He exists.<br /><br />MT13b: "...and the spirit neither are they acknowledging.<br /><br />ANF R&D add there own interpretation here. There is no personal pronouns in the Greek. <br /><br />(τὸ πνεῦμα) = "the spriit" is in the NUETER GENDER not male or female, indicating an IT not a "HE". <br /><br />In fact <b>the phrase "He exists" is not in the Greek text at all</b>.<br /><br />B.) ταὐτὸν δὲ εἶναι πατέρα καὶ υἱὸν καὶ πνεῦμα ἅγιον,<br /><br />MT13a: "...identical (but) to be Father and (to) Son and spirit (to) holiness<br /><br />ANF R&D: "...and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the same person,<br /><br />MT13b: "...also that the Father and the Son and spirit of holiness are/to be identical,<br /><br /><b>ANF R&D embellish the text here by adding the word "PERSON" which is not in the Greek text.</b> <br /><br />( ταὐτὸν ) = "identical".<br /><br />C.) καὶ τὴν κτίσιν ἔργον θεοῦ, οὐ διὰ Χριστοῦ, ἀλλ' ἑτέρου τινός, ἀλλοτρίας δυνάμεως.<br /><br />MT13 Lit: "...and (of) the (to) creation (to) work (of) God, not through (of) Christ, but-contrast (of) another-of-a-differen't-(kind) (of) someone, belonging to another/strange/alien/foriegn (of) power<br /><br />ANF R&D: "...and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power.”<br /><br />MT13b: "...and that the creation is the work directly of God, not [διά] through Christ, but instead to be that of some other strange power of a totally differen't kind."<br /><br />ANF R&D misrepresent the text as saying Christ is the DIRECT AGENT = "by" in the creation.<br /><br />Whereas the Greek show the creation was only (διά) "through" Christ.<br /><br />(διά) "through" = INDIRECT AGENT or a "channel of an act" according to Greek grammar.<br /><br />(θεοῦ) = "(of) God" is in the genitive, <b>denoting source</b>, so I added "directly" (of) God to bring out the full force of the Greek.Matt13weedhackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643587467702969643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-35733359968464539282010-06-12T12:06:49.826-07:002010-06-12T12:06:49.826-07:00IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH: "But, they portray the C...<b>IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH:</b> "But, they portray the Christ as belonging to another Father, even the law from of the Christ. They speak slanderously and missrepresent his being born of a virgin, they are ashamed of the torture stake, they disown and cast aside the suffering, and they are not putting faith in the resurection, <b>they introduce the idea that God is unknown</b>, they hold out the Christ to be unbegotten, and neither are they acknowledging the spirit. Some of them, lay down the Son to be an ordinary man, even the Father and the Son and spirit of holiness to be identical, and that the creation is the work directly of God, not [διά] through Christ, but instead to be that of some other strange power of a totally differen't kind."<b> – (LONG RECENSION) Chapter VI(6) The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians by Matt13weedhacker Revised (13/6/10).</b>Matt13weedhackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16643587467702969643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-31607367834605408082010-06-12T11:32:24.643-07:002010-06-12T11:32:24.643-07:00It started early
IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH (Died 115-11...It started early<br /><br /><b>IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH (Died 115-117 C.E.):</b> “...For there are some vain talkers and deceivers, not Christians, but Christ-betrayers, bearing about the name of Christ in deceit, and “corrupting the word” of the Gospel; while they intermix the poison of their deceit with their persuasive talk, as if they mingled aconite with sweet wine, that so he who drinks, being deceived in his taste by the very great sweetness of the draught, may incautiously meet with his death. One of the ancients gives us this advice, “Let no man be called good who mixes good with evil.” For they speak of Christ, not that they may preach Christ, but that they may reject Christ; and they speak of the law, not that they may establish the law, but that they may proclaim things contrary to it. For they alienate Christ from the Father, and the law from Christ. They also calumniate His being born of the Virgin; they are ashamed of His cross; they deny His passion; and they do not believe His resurrection. <b>They introduce God as a Being unknown</b>; they suppose Christ to be unbegotten; and as to the Spirit, they do not admit that He exists. Some of them say that the Son is a mere man, and that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are but the same person, and that the creation is the work of God, not by Christ, but by some other strange power...”<b> – (LONG RECENSION) Chapter VI(6)—[Let us stand aloof from such] The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians ANF Roberts & Donaldson</b><br /><br />“...Παρακαλῶ οὖν ὑμᾶς οὐκ ἐγώ, ἀλλ' ἡ ἀγάπη Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, ἵνα τὸ αὐτὸ λέγητε πάντες καὶ μὴ ᾖ ἐν ὑμῖν σχίσματα, ᾖτε δὲ κατηρτισμένοι τῇ αὐτῇ γνώμῃ καὶ τῷ αὐτῷ νοΐ. εἰσὶ γάρ τινες ματαιολόγοι καὶ φρεναπάται, οὐ Χριστιανοί, ἀλλὰ χριστέμποροι, ἀπάτῃ περιφέροντες τὸ ὄνομα Χριστοῦ καὶ καπηλεύοντες τὸν λόγον τοῦ εὐαγγελίου καὶ τὸν ἰὸν προσπλέκοντες τῆς πλάνης τῇ γλυκείᾳ προσηγορίᾳ, ὥσπερ οἰνομέλιτι κώνειον κεραννύντες, ἵνα ὁ πίνων τῇ γλυκυτάτῃ κλαπεὶς ποιότητι τὴν γευστικὴν αἴσθησιν ἀφυλάκτως τῷ θανάτῳ περιπαρῇ. παραινεῖ τις τῶν παλαιῶν· Mηδεὶς ἀγαθὸς λεγέσθω κακῷ τὸ ἀγαθὸν κεραννύς. λέγουσι γὰρ Χριστόν, οὐχ ἵνα Χριστὸν κηρύξωσιν, ἀλλ' ἵνα Χριστὸν ἀθετήσωσιν· καὶ οὐ νόμον προφέρουσιν, ἵνα νόμον συστήσωσιν, ἀλλ' ἵνα ἀνομίαν καταγγείλωσιν· τὸν μὲν γὰρ Χριστὸν ἀλλοτριοῦσι τοῦ πατρός, τὸν δὲ νόμον τοῦ Χριστοῦ. τὴν ἐκ παρθένου γέννησιν διαβάλλουσιν, ἐπαισχυνόμενοι τὸν σταυρὸν τὸ πάθος ἀρνοῦνται καὶ τὴν ἀνάστασιν οὐ πιστεύουσι·<b> τὸν θεὸν ἄγνωστον εἰσηγοῦνται</b>, τὸν Χριστὸν ἀγέννητον νομίζουσι, τὸ δὲ πνεῦμα οὐδὲ ὅτι ἔστιν ὁμολογοῦσι. τινὲς δὲ αὐτῶν τὸν μὲν υἱὸν ψιλὸν ἄνθρωπον εἶναι λέγουσι, ταὐτὸν δὲ εἶναι πατέρα καὶ υἱὸν καὶ πνεῦμα ἅγιον, καὶ τὴν κτίσιν ἔργον θεοῦ, οὐ διὰ Χριστοῦ, ἀλλ' ἑτέρου τινός, ἀλλοτρίας δυνάμεως...” <b>(LONG RECENSION) Chapter VI(6) Toward Trallians [ΠΡOΣ TΡAΛΛIANOΥΣ] Patrologiae cursus completus. Series graeca. Edidit Migne, J.P., LIBRARY OF RUSLAN KHAZARZAR.</b>davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08073529459702086623noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-3368867940408437692010-06-12T11:21:20.823-07:002010-06-12T11:21:20.823-07:00They often refer to believing "Jesus is God&q...They often refer to believing "Jesus is God" as "the Deity of Christ".<br /><br />Some interesting Trivia:<br /><br />The word "DEITY" was invented by Trinitarians in the fifth/sixth centuries due to an inadequate vocabulary in Latin and Greek to describe the Trinity.<br /><br />"GODHEAD:...“Deity” was introduced by the Christian Fathers for the express purpose of providing a stronger word by means of which the uniqueness of the Christians’ God should be emphasized...." - GODHEAD (ISBE) International Standard Bible Encyclopedia<br /><br />http://net.bible.org/dictionary.php?word=godhead<br /><br />"DEITY ... c.1300, from O.Fr. deite, from L.L. deitatem (nom. deitas) "divine nature," coined by Augustine from L. deus "god," from PIE *deiwos (see Zeus)..." - ONLINE ETYMOLOGY DICTIONARY<br /><br />http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=d&p=8<br /><br />"Deity ... Etymology: Coined by Augustine of Hippo from deus ("god" ), after divinitas ("divinity")..." - DEFINITION FROM WIKTIONARY, A FREE DICTIONARY.<br /><br />http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deitas<br /><br />More coining of new words and doctrines aswellAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com