tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post5645422791878587785..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: John 5:23 - "That all may honor the Son JUST AS [kathos] they honor the Father." - NIVElijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-3940971832111590592014-04-30T01:20:14.158-07:002014-04-30T01:20:14.158-07:00John 17:23 is a very interesting parallel to John ...John 17:23 is a very interesting parallel to John 5:23:<br /><br />"that all may honor the Son JUST AS (kathws) they honor the Father" (5:23, NIV)<br />"Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them EVEN AS (kathws) you have loved me." (17:23, NIV)<br /><br />It's unreasonable to believe that Christians are to love God to EXACTLY the same extent as God loved Jesus as this would be impossible. <br /><br />As John Gill notes on this verse:<br /><br />"The nature of this love is such as that he bears to Christ; it is from everlasting; a love of the utmost delight and pleasure; it is special and peculiar, unchangeable, and will continue for ever: there is not the same reason for his loving them as his Son; and this as must NOT be thought to denote EQUALITY, but SIMILITUDE and ORDER."<br /><br />He also notes regarding Ephesians 5:2:<br /><br />"as Christ also hath loved us;<br />with a love exceeding great and strong, which is wonderful, inconceivable, and unparalleled; and even as the Father has loved him; with a love that is free and sovereign, unchangeable and everlasting, of which he has given many instances; and a principal one is hereafter mentioned: the "as" here is a note of SIMILITUDE, NOT of EQUALITY; for it cannot be thought that the saints should love God, or Christ, or one another, with a love EQUAL to Christ's love to them"<br /><br />And 1 John 3:3:<br /><br />"purifieth himself even as he is pure...this "as" is only expressive of some degree of LIKENESS and SIMILITUDE, and NOT PERFECT EQUALITY,"<br /><br />Yet as a Trinitarian he predictably says that in John 5:23 it DOES mean equality. Timitriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11786235138604501688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-53697734792983551312012-03-18T15:08:15.839-07:002012-03-18T15:08:15.839-07:00JOHN 17:22
22 Also, I have given them the glory ...JOHN 17:22 <br /><br />22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.<br /><br />---Saga Oliveira - RJ/Brasil----Sagahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14296397872770458687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-60655404358300593172010-03-04T09:49:06.270-08:002010-03-04T09:49:06.270-08:00We are to honor God and also honor our parents. If...We are to honor God and also honor our parents. If we dishonor our parents we dishonor God. This does not mean that we honor them to the same degree. We honor God and Christ but it only makes sense that more honor would be given to the "Most High" Jehovah. (Psalms 83:18)<br /><br />Nick from Florence, ItalyNick Batchelorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14338321183875485322noreply@blogger.com