tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post7371209355815327459..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: ELOHIM - Plural 'God'Elijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-11698287110184551112015-10-13T10:51:36.384-07:002015-10-13T10:51:36.384-07:00@Joey
I appreciate this article is 4 years old, b...@Joey<br /><br />I appreciate this article is 4 years old, but it's come up in Google results for something I'm researching. So I'll reply anyway.<br /><br />I get your point but I think it's pedantic and assumes that a person must say everything in a sort of legal-speak else his listener misunderstands this or that detail. I think you're describing a personality trait (the need to ensure you're not misunderstood) more than an actual flaw in logic or language use.<br /><br />The key to looking at whether an expression can reasonably be construed to mean one thing is in looking at precedent. In this discussion you might look at Acts 7:47. There it says that Solomon built the temple. A thinking person would assume that Solomon didn't physically do the construction work.<br /><br />So, if a person asked "What? By himself?" then one could elaborate. But it wouldn't be fair to assume everyone else would make the same mistake, so it isn't necessary to clarify every detail.<br /><br />However, depending on how you look at it, it may be perfectly acceptable to say Jehovah created or made everything even if you do insist on a literal interpretation. How so?<br /><br />To illustrate. Suppose I want to make a building, or even construct a town. Instead of collecting all the materials by hand and moulding everything, by hand, and building everything brick by hand-placed brick, I could do something else. I could make tools. The tools would make my tasks easier. I could make "intelligent" tools (such as robots that construct cars on assembly lines) to lay pipes, bricks or construct roves. As I am solely responsible for the constructing the things that do more constructing - than I can accurately say I constructed the town.<br /><br />So for the purpose of this illustration, Jesus is a tool of his father's. Jesus said "I can't do a single thing of my own initiative", and his intellectual and physical ability to "make" things also came from God. So ultimately God can rightly be called the creator and maker of everything.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-29373428848969935462011-10-17T00:30:11.410-07:002011-10-17T00:30:11.410-07:00"The fact that both the King and his servant,..."The fact that both the King and his servant, the Master Worker, built the palace can be clearly explained by the word “through.” The King built the palace through his servant, the Master Worker. There is no mystery here. The King can properly say, “I built that palace;” the Master Worker can properly say, “I built that palace;” and even the stone mason can properly say, “I built that palace.” The word “through” can clear up any possible confusion there might be from these apparently conflicting statements."<br /><br />I don't thing the owner, master worker, or mason can really say the statement, "I built that palace" Now, I might be over-analyzing the illustration but I think the owner, when referring to the actual building process can only say "I 'had' that palace built". The master worker can say, "I built that palace" or "I helped build that palace", and the mason must say, "I helped build that palace". for had the mason said, "I built that palace" my response would have been, "By yourself"?<br /><br />I can illustrate by the fact that my father was the owner of a construction company. When passing by the target he built in my town, I'll quickly say to a friend, "my father built that"...but then I'll describe more accurately(correct myself) what I really meant by saying, "well he didn't actually build build it, he had it built but overlooked the process."<br /><br />SO it seems the Jesus is really the only person who can say I made it(unless Jehovah had direct involvement in the making process) Jehovah can say "I had it made by Jesus". And the holy spirit can only say "i helped" of course though I don't believe the Holy Spirit to be a person.<br /><br />Does this kinda attack at your illustration hurt your point at all though? I don't really think it does because the Owner, Master worker, and mason are three distinct and different people.Joeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-12663069911218703832011-01-19T14:29:30.483-08:002011-01-19T14:29:30.483-08:00Wonderful artical!!Wonderful artical!!vonmitchellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15382054002420539085noreply@blogger.com