tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post8089072965329143232..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: History of the 'Christian' Trinity - HIST (part 3)Elijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-64876333730127692322016-04-22T13:06:18.396-07:002016-04-22T13:06:18.396-07:00I have carefully noted all my sources in over 160 ...I have carefully noted all my sources in over 160 endnotes and numerous references within the text. I believe they are honest sources. Have you read all 6 parts of this study (and clicked on all the numbered endnotes within the text)? <br /><br />The beliefs concerning God that the large majority of bishops present at Nicaea (the Semi-Arians) had are explaine3d in the study (Part 3).tigger2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09601427279760049377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-47847950427430810782016-04-21T21:36:59.263-07:002016-04-21T21:36:59.263-07:00I have found some sites, including Wikipedia, givi...I have found some sites, including Wikipedia, giving a very different versión of the histury. According to them, Nicea was a peaceful gathering where a vast mayority with no influence whatsoever from Constantine banished Arius for his antiscriptural "new heresy" about Christ beginning and not being God. What historians describe fully and accurately exactly what happened? Considereing that trinitarians have dominated the world stage afterwards, how did the details unfavorable to them survive? It are 1690 years!!<br /><br />Also I would like to know more about the "semi arians". Where they binitarians as the old WCG and their offspring groups want us to believe?cornyhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08906584063934452561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-65499485810344182082010-03-13T19:55:58.742-08:002010-03-13T19:55:58.742-08:00A repost of Matt's comment:
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...A repost of Matt's comment:<br /><br />Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />Epiphanius Of Salamis ( 3rd/4th Centuries): “It took place [that] [Σίμωνος ... τοῦ μάγου] Simon the magician [being] the first heresy from Christ, stretching forth until now, this (one) being ascociated with the name of Christ, but [certainly] not (one) of [the] faithful, pure, or upright, worked busily in [amoung] these (ones) causing coruption … but saying about himself that he was [τὴν μεγάλην δύναμιν τοῦ θεοῦ] “The Great Power of God” that had “stepped down from on High!” [Also] he was saying that he was [Τὸν πατέρα] “The Father” to the Samaritans, but to Jews he said he was [τὸν υἱόν] “The Son”...” - Panarion † Adversus haereses: 1.238 Translated by Matt13weedhackerElijah Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-7098750699549496832010-03-12T12:24:17.615-08:002010-03-12T12:24:17.615-08:00Thanks, Matt. I'll try to find the time to ch...Thanks, Matt. I'll try to find the time to check out your new information.Elijah Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-42239359985889532232010-03-12T10:28:40.570-08:002010-03-12T10:28:40.570-08:00Matt13weedhacker
#5 I could give an English trans...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />#5 I could give an English translation of my own if you want one, but I don't have time at the moment, maybe later.<br /><br />Are there any other things I've missed? Does that help?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-63134011892251618042010-03-12T10:08:57.051-08:002010-03-12T10:08:57.051-08:00Matt13weedhacker
Reference #5 (Epiphanius of Sala...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br /><b>Reference #5 (Epiphanius of Salamis)</b> An English translation is not available online, nor do I have a copy in my own library - digital or print. BUT! I do have the GREEK TEXT for this passage from <b>Patrologia Mingne</b>. Here it is (just the essentials):<br /><br /><b>Panarion † Adversus haereses 1.238 Κατὰ Σιμωνιανῶν πρώτη μετὰ τὴν εἰς Χριστὸν πίστιν τὴν μόνην οὖσαν, τῆς δὲ ἀκολουθίας ˉκˉα.</b><br />1. <b>Σίμωνος</b> γίνεται <b>τοῦ μάγου</b> πρώτη αἵρεσις ἀπὸ Χριστοῦ … ἔλεγεν δὲ ἑαυτὸν εἶναι <b>τὴν μεγάλην δύναμιν τοῦ θεοῦ</b> καὶ ἄνωθεν καταβεβηκέναι. <b>Τὸν πατέρα</b> δὲ ἔλεγεν ἑαυτὸν τοῖς Σαμαρείταις, Ἰουδαίοις δὲ ἔλεγεν ἑαυτὸν εἶναι <b>τὸν υἱόν</b>, παθόντα δὲ μὴ πεπονθέναι, ἀλλὰ δοκήσει μόνον.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-32342488179092452902010-03-12T08:59:16.562-08:002010-03-12T08:59:16.562-08:00Matt13weedhacker
Sorry about confusing Justin Mar...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />Sorry about confusing Justin Martyr with Irenaeus. These should be the actual references to Simon Magus and his followers in Justins writings:<br /><br />Justin Martyr 1st Apology Chap's 26 & 56; see also 2nd Apology Chapter 15:1 = a breif mention, Dialouge with Trypho A Jew Chap 120.<br /><br />As for "Philastrius Episcopus Liber De Haeresibus" I don't actually know who he is. I have searched but can't find any reference to him, except in Meads essay on Simonianism in the Gnosis Library article. <br /><br />Sorry I couldn't be of any more help there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-17153722381307370032010-03-12T08:47:33.669-08:002010-03-12T08:47:33.669-08:00Matt13weedhacker
Hi guy's! Hey sorry about my...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />Hi guy's! Hey sorry about my inaccurate references and causing you to spend so much time doing research. The truth is I got the information posted about Simon Magus off the internet about <i>three years ago</i> and didn't take any note of the source. <i>At the time</i> I did not know I was going to use it online, or as in this case, or come under such close scrutiny. Anyway! I found the actual source of those first references about Simon Magus again. They come from the following:<br /><br />http://www.gnosis.org/library/grs-mead/grsm_simon_magus.htm<br /><br /><b>THE GNOSTIC SOCIETY LIBRARY:</b> Simon Magus An Essay On The Founder Of Simonianism Based On The Ancient Sources With A Re-evaluation Of His Philosophy And Teachings. by G.R.S. Mead.<br /><br />I hope this is more helpful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-91993286384113805612010-03-11T19:27:40.501-08:002010-03-11T19:27:40.501-08:00Here are some of the difficulties I've had wit...Here are some of the difficulties I've had with the first few comments on HIST part 1, Matt:<br /> <br />The first comment in SIMON MAGUS.... (which I'll call #1) is not from Justin Martyr. It is from Irenaeus' 'Against Heresies,' Ch 23:1,3. It can be found in Roberts (not Alexander) and Donaldson, ANF, Vol. 1, p. 348.<br /> <br />#2 seems ok. ANF, Vol. 1, p. 348, renders it as "as if he were a god".<br /><br />#3 I found this at "A Treatise on the Soul," ANF, Vol. 3, p. 215. It's in Ch. 34 only, not '34, 36.'<br /><br />#4 I found at ANF, Bk 6, Ch. 14 (not 19), "Refutation of All Heresies"<br /><br />#5 I haven't found this yet.<br /><br />#6 seems OK. I found the first paragraph at "Origen Against Celsus," Bk. 5, Ch. 62, (ANF, Vol. 4, p.570.) and Bk 6, Ch. 11 (ANF, Vol.4 Ch. 11). The second paragraph I found at ANF, Vol. 4, pp. 421-422.<br /><br />#7 I haven't found yetElijah Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-26850171525971702162010-03-10T15:05:08.698-08:002010-03-10T15:05:08.698-08:00Matt13weedhacker
Ever thought about ths similarit...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />Ever thought about ths similarities between <b>Hitler</b> and <b>Constantine?</b><br /><br />They <b>both</b> wanted to rule the world. They systematically murder or had murdered all rivals including family members. They both hated the Jews. Instigated religious persecution and anihilation of dissenters. Both proclaimed Christian belief but still involved in pagan worship and rituals.<br /><br />That's just a few to get the ball rolling, <i>see how many you can think of!</i>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-82568471334060658892010-03-10T14:56:24.288-08:002010-03-10T14:56:24.288-08:00Matt13weedhacker
If the "TRINITY" was o...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />If the "TRINITY" was official Church teaching ALL-THE-WAY-ALONG from Jesus to the Apostles right the way until our day, is it not remarkable that its NOT EVEN MENTIONED BY NAME in the 13 EARLIEST Christian writers and three OFFICIAL DOCTRINAL STATEMENTS about God up to the year 381?<br /><br />From Clement of Rome to Irenaeus there is a gap of 130 years while the biggest preaching campaign in history up to that time was going on, no Christian teacher or writer thought it was important enough to EVEN MENTION IT BY NAME!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-71620938343454180092010-03-10T10:32:20.341-08:002010-03-10T10:32:20.341-08:00Matt13weedhacker
The word TRINITY is not even MEN...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />The word TRINITY is not even MENTIONED in the Apostles Creed!<br />The word TRINITY is not even MENTIONED in the Nicene Creed!<br />The word TRINITY is not even MENTIONED in the Chanceldon Creed!<br /><br /><b>Absolutely ASTONISHING!</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-66071232869456599102010-03-10T10:29:11.612-08:002010-03-10T10:29:11.612-08:00Matt13weedhacker
"This is getting boring isn...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br /><i>"This is getting boring isn't it? Lets take a break." <br /><br />"On with the show!"</i><br /><br />11.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Irenaeus anywhere! <br />12.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Tation anywhere! <br />13.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Athenagoras anywhere!<br /><br /><b>Remarkable!</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-69514110682033667552010-03-10T10:27:13.156-08:002010-03-10T10:27:13.156-08:00Matt13weedhacker
6.) The word "TRINITY"...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />6.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in the Shepard of Hermas anywhere! <br />7.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Barnabas anywhere! <br />8.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in the apology of Arestides anywhere! <br />9.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Mileto of Sardis anywhere! <br />10.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Justin Martyr anywhere! <br /><br />To be continued!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-43971518240703909142010-03-10T10:25:39.050-08:002010-03-10T10:25:39.050-08:00Matt13weedhacker
1.) The word "TRINITY"...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />1.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in ANY RESENCION OF IGNATIUS - Long, Short or Middle! <br />2.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in Polycarp anywhere! <br />3.) The word "TRINITY" is not found in quotations of Papias anywhere! <br />4.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in the Didache anywhere! <br />5.) The word "TRINITY" is not MENTIONED in 1st Clement or 2nd Clement anywhere! <br /><br />To be continued!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-90924874026623636912010-03-10T10:22:22.235-08:002010-03-10T10:22:22.235-08:00Matt13weedhacker
It is claimed that the TRINITY w...Matt13weedhacker<br /><br />It is claimed that the TRINITY was taught by them from the very beginning! <br /><br /><b>(ΙΩΑΝΝΟΥ Α΄ 1st John 3:11 Greek NT): Westcott & Hort</b>: Ὅτι αὕτη ἐστὶν ἡ ἀγγελία ἣν ἠκούσατε ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς <br /><br />"...this is THE MESSAGE [that] was heard from [the] beginning..." <b>- Translated by Matt13</b><br /><br />Does the EVIDENCE and THE FACTS OF HISTORY back this claim up? Dissapointingly for Trinitarians, the FACTS and HARD EVIDENCE show something completely differen't!<br /><br />To be continued!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com