tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post8896479050615533826..comments2023-07-23T09:12:13.303-07:00Comments on Examining the Trinity: "I AM" - Part 1Elijah Danielshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-66386167077548508252018-02-19T20:55:48.599-08:002018-02-19T20:55:48.599-08:00It is not entirely correct. 'Ego' by itsel...It is not entirely correct. 'Ego' by itself means 'I' in English and can be used with many verbs: John 7:29; 8:14, 15, 16; 21, 22, 29, 38, 42, 45, 49, 50, 54, 55. <br />'Eimi' by itself means 'I am': John 1:21; 7:28, 29, 33; 8:16; 9:5. So 'ego' is not needed unless the writer wishes it. <br />'Ego eimi' also means 'I am': John: 1:20; 9:9. <br /><br />Notice how many other different verbs in John 8:55 (for one of many examples) have the word 'ego' understood to be with them.tigger2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09601427279760049377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-43079745888310268042018-02-19T05:09:56.982-08:002018-02-19T05:09:56.982-08:00I thought I read somewhere that "eimi" i...I thought I read somewhere that "eimi" in itself literally means "I am", so "ego eimi" means "I, I am", which is why it is sometimes translated as "I am he" or "it is I". Do you know if this is correct?<br /><br />If it is correct, it would negate the Trinitarian argument that Jesus is saying "I am" i.e. that Jesus is eternal, but rather he would be stressing his identity as the Messiah.Timitriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11786235138604501688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-68865131083006168152014-05-04T07:48:16.722-07:002014-05-04T07:48:16.722-07:00Hey all, check out the renderring in the 1175 and ...Hey all, check out the renderring in the 1175 and 990 West Saxon translations:<br /><br />WestSaxon990 - "Se hælend cwæð to him. ic wæs ærþam þe abraham wæs;"<br /><br />WestSaxon1175 - "Se hælend cwæð; to heom. Ic wæs ær þonne þe abraham wære."<br /><br />ic wæs means "I was".Timitriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11786235138604501688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-58832225515979887752013-04-03T17:04:27.180-07:002013-04-03T17:04:27.180-07:00As for John 8:24, out of the same 43 TRINITARIAN B...As for John 8:24, out of the same 43 TRINITARIAN Bibles only 6 make a clear “I Am” connection. 27 of them use the expression “I am HE.” And the rest use other predicates (‘The Christ,’ ‘the one,’ ‘who I claim to be,’ etc.). <br /><br />Furthermore context does not indicate that Jesus has finally claimed to be God: “24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for you will die in your sins unless you believe that I am HE.” 25 They said to him, “WHO ARE YOU?” Jesus said to them, “Even WHAT I HAVE TOLD YOU FROM THE BEGINNING.” - RSV. [Emphasis added.] <br /><br />Notice that the Jews did not think he was claiming to be God by saying ‘ego eimi.’ They even asked him “who are you? And Jesus said in effect that they already knew who he was (and this was never anything more than the Christ, the son of God). If the Jews had understood ‘ego eimi’ here to mean Jesus was claiming to be God, they would have stoned him to death on the spot!<br /><br />Instead, “28 So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he [‘ego eimi’], and that I do nothing on my own authority but speak thus as the Father taught me. 29 And he who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what is pleasing to him.” 30 As he spoke thus, MANY BELIEVED IN HIM.” - RSV. [Emphasis added]<br /><br /><br />Jesus certainly never told them from the BEGINNING that he was God! In fact, he never told them that he was God at all!<br /><br />Elijah Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-57212909897529392132013-04-03T13:12:56.398-07:002013-04-03T13:12:56.398-07:00Hi, ForJah,
40 out of 43 of the Bible translation...Hi, ForJah,<br /><br />40 out of 43 of the Bible translations available on the BibleGateway.com site show a predicate for “I am” at John 18:6 (the vast majority are ‘I am he’). Since these are mostly (if not all) translated by trinitarians who would naturally prefer a trinitarian understanding here, we can be assured that the majority of trinitarian scholars consider ‘I am he (or ‘Jesus,’ ‘the man,’ etc.) to be the proper understanding. There is no ‘question equals predicate’ rule. - http://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2018:6 <br /><br />This very scripture was also examined in my ‘I AM (part 3)’ at the very end. Please read it.<br />Elijah Danielshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13053062645377291813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-57818855593143872672013-04-03T10:04:08.747-07:002013-04-03T10:04:08.747-07:00Hey Elijah...I have a friend who is both trying to...Hey Elijah...I have a friend who is both trying to use the reaction of the temple guards at John 18:6 as a means of showing that Jesus was claiming deity as well as I think he just invented a semantic rule where he said that predicates can only be allowed in light of a question that comes before. He says because there is no question asked of Jesus before John 8:24, therefore he was claiming divinity when he used the I am statement. Could you perhaps help me with how to respond to him. I accused him of special pleading but we will see what happens.ForJahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15227953181409298542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-58183664747171074012012-06-11T05:02:08.843-07:002012-06-11T05:02:08.843-07:00Great help for showing people that think of Jesus ...Great help for showing people that think of Jesus as God the truth, that he was "the son of god" and not "God the son".....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-20230609586917113412011-03-29T09:37:25.940-07:002011-03-29T09:37:25.940-07:00Nice read.Nice read.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3653325549409648983.post-89688881949577676042010-05-14T13:47:34.561-07:002010-05-14T13:47:34.561-07:00Very good. Keep up the good workVery good. Keep up the good workAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com